Theology Thursday: Dr. James White’s Four Keys to effective debating.


Today’s Theology Thursday comes from The Cripplegate’s Clint Archer.  He had the chance to interview Dr. James White and ask him how to effectively debate an opponent.

1Seek to be consistent. (Use equal scales)

This is mandatory in a serious debate: you can’t use unequal scales. You need to apply the same level of respect and understanding of how they employ their source material as you would want them to apply to how you employ yours.

Rookie debaters attack aspects of their opponent’s system that they would dismiss with an exasperated eye roll if the favor were returned. He offered a smattering of examples. Here’s some of his riff on this point, transcribed from a recording and cleaned up a bit…

A lot of arguments used against Islam or Mormonism will involve picking on their writings…..eg the Book of Mormon says Jesus was born in Jerusalem and apologists will say “see, Joseph Smith did not know what he was talking about.” But when we defend the Old Testament we often point out that that there are places where the author has used a very specific geographic term referring to a wider region. We defend against these alleged errors using that methodology—so we must be consistent and allow the Mormon the same methodology; i.e. they would say that Bethlehem is very close to Jerusalem, in the same general area.
There are a lot of arguments that I would not use when attacking the Qur’an because I realize that when defending the Old Testament I am going to have to utilize very similar responses from what I would expect from a Muslim. So we need to be very careful.
A lot of people attack Joseph Smith’s false prophesies – and there are false prophecies – but Mormons allege that there are false prophecies in the Old Testament too. So your argument saying that Joseph Smith was giving a false prophecy might boomerang and they will say that Jonah was giving a false prophecy, or Ezekiel when prophesying against Tyre (referring to Ezekiel 26:1-14).
Most Christian apologists are better at attacking the other side rather than defending the best arguments made against Christianity.

2.   Strive for accuracy in representation of the other side (use original source material)



How much attention would you pay to a debater who learned what they know about your faith from watching a YouTube video posted by an “ex-Christian” who “suddenly realized” the Bible was full of contradictions and that his church leaders didn’t have answers? Probably zero.

You need to examine and familiarize yourself with your opponent’s original source material. When you explain their view on an issue, they should nod in agreement with everything you are saying before you explain why you disagree. If they don’t believe you understand their position or if they think you have misrepresented their beliefs, they will dismiss any argument you proffer against the faulty position you have presented.
So, when you engage a Mormon or a Jehovah’s Witness or a Muslim, make sure you have read Joseph Smith, C. T. Russel, or the Qur’an.

It is “Absolutely vitally important to use original sources, to know their version.”

Some people disagree with this point because they say you are exposing yourself to false teaching. But you know what: Paul quoted from Aratus the Greek philosopher and when he wrote Colossians he uses the very language of the proto-gnostics and the Docetists. The writers knew that those people believed and actively refuted them. We have nothing to fear, true Christianity has nothing spiritually to fear from Islam.

Jot down chapter and verse to show your counterpart that you have taken the time to actually read and understand what they actually believe. Interact with that. Do not erect straw men and throw fallacious darts at them. You will only make yourself feel superior while getting no closer to winning the argument or the soul for Christ.

3.  Show love for your opponent. (Win souls not just arguments)

Speaking of winning, you need to decide if your goal is merely to win an argument or to win a soul.
Sometimes those two go together. By convincing them of what the Scriptures actually say, you win the person over to the truth by winning the argument. But sometimes your words might be true, while your attitude belies your lack of concern for the person you are debating and the people who hold their view.

Apologetics – especially electronic apologetics – is a very dangerous skill because it allows you to say things to other people you would never say to their face. It allows you to sit there and think that you are glorifying God when the reality is that you are just trying to get your sword bloody – you don’t care what damage you do in the process.  If you don’t love the people you are dealing with, if you don’t really believe that you are going to be praying for them, if you wouldn’t reach out to them in a meaningful fashion, then don’t even do it. You’ll end up doing more damage than anything else.

The easiest way to show love to a person is to actually love them. Jesus said to do this, so if you don’t you are being a poor debater and a bad Christian at the same time.

4.  Stay in the context of a local church.

Apologetics is not a balanced field. You spend your time immersed in error. If you are doing that divorced from a ministry in the local church you are missing the point of your gifts, you are stunting your own spiritual growth, and you are neglecting your responsibility to the local church in favor of the Universal Church.

I found this to be the most surprising and encouraging of Dr. White’s insights. He is an elder at his church, teaches a Bible study (from the Bible, not the Book of Mormon), and ministers alongside Christians. His apologetics and debating is his career, not his only ministry.

Apologetics must be done within the context of the church. The vast majority of apologists I know are not churchmen. They go from church to church each weekend and give their presentations but they themselves are not churchmen.
Apologetics is not a balanced Christian ministry, you’re always in defense mode. I jokingly tell my audience – I listen to the heretics so you don’t have to – and there is an element of truth in that. And that is not good in the long run if that is all you do. So if you are a churchman you will be forced to have balance.

This is just the main points of the article to read the entire article go here: The Cripplegate

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Frenetic Friday


So let’s talk about hairstyle:
HT: Billy Leonhart

Now just because this is the haircut my father and uncles wore when they enlisted and fought against the Nazis in World War II doesn’t mean anything.  Because history who needs it! However let me suggest some alternatives.

The Staliny yes comrades there is nothing that say antifa like the haircut of a man who slaughtered between 20 to 40 million people. (Accounts vary)

Ah the Che Che for the rough urban social justice warrior.  The head of Castro’s La Cabaña prison and responsible for over 1000 firing squad executions and the forced labor camps which imprisoned Jehovah witnesses, homosexuals, Afro-Cuban priests, and anyone else who opposed the revolution. And of course the Mao, the Pol Pot, and the Kim Jong Il.  You might want to select by the number of people they had executed.

Switching to the Evangelical world have you heard about the Nashville Statement?  Click on the link if you want to read it.  Needless to say this has caused the liberals/progressive “Christians” an apoplectic fit. You can read some of the responses:


We go to Iceland for some breaking news from the Culture of Death!

Down Syndrome disappearing in Iceland because of Abortion

Speaking of Science this is a few weeks old but worth noting:

Man plays God

In a news report from the MIT Technology Review scientists have reported that they have successfully modified human DNA and created a genetically modified human embryo.   Soon despite what scientist say won’t happen will.  Designer babies have entered the first stage soon the dreams of eugenics will take on reality.  And just so you know the method they are using known as CRISPR doesn’t create “mules” no these children will pass on their changes to future generations. Last year this technology was call a weapon of mass destruction by top US Intelligence services.

Finally I am taking a brief hiatus from the blog.  A minimum of a month a maximum of two months.  The catechism posts will continue to occur on Sunday.  Look for changes coming to the blog.

 

Catechism


Q. 135 Why do Christians need to pray?
A. Because prayer is the most important part of the thankfulness God requires of us. And also because God gives his grace and Holy Spirit only to those who pray continually and groan inwardly, asking God for these gifts and thanking him for them.

Ps. 50:14-15; 116:12-19; 1 Thess. 5:16-18
Matt. 7:7-8; Luke 11:9-13

Q. 136 How does God want us to pray so that he will listen to us?
A. First, we must pray from the heart to no other than the one true God, who has revealed himself in his Word, asking for everything he has commanded us to ask for. Second, we must acknowledge our need and misery, hiding nothing, and humble ourselves in his majestic presence. Third, we must rest on this unshakable foundation: even though we do not deserve it, God will surely listen to our prayer because of Christ our Lord. That is what he promised us in his Word.

Ps. 145:18-20; John 4:22-24; Rom. 8:26-27; James 1:5; 1 John 5:14-15
2 Chron. 7:14; Ps. 2:11; 34:18; 62:8; Isa. 66:2; Rev. 4
Dan. 9:17-19; Matt. 7:8; John 14:13-14; 16:23; Rom. 10:13; James 1:6

Catechism


Q. 126 What is the eighth Commandment?

A. Thou shalt not steal.

Q. 127  What does God forbid in the eighth commandment?

A.  He forbids not only outright theft and robbery, punishable by law.  But in God’s sight theft also includes cheating and swindling our neighbor by schemes made to appear legitimate,  such as: inaccurate measurements of weight, size, or volume; fraudulent merchandising; counterfeit money; excessive interest; or any other means forbidden by God.  In addition he forbids all greed and pointless squandering of his gifts.

Ex. 22:1; 1 Cor. 5:9-10; 6:9-10

Mic. 6:9-11; Luke 3:14; James 5:1-6

Deut. 25:13-16; Ps. 15:5; Prov. 11:1; 12:22; Ezek. 45:9-12; Luke 6:35

Luke 12:15; Eph. 5:5

Prov. 21:20; 23:20-21; Luke 16:10-13

Q. 128  What does God require of you in this commandment?

A.   That I do whatever I can for my neighbor’s good, that I treat others as I  would like them to treat me, and that I work faithfully so that I may share with those in need.

Isa. 58:5-10; Matt. 7:12; Gal. 6:9-10; Eph. 4:28

Of First Importance


That he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then  to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.Then he appeared to s James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born,  he appeared also to me. 1 Corinthians 15

Jesus’ Resurrection
Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and n the other Mary went to see the tomb.
And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow.
And for fear of him the guards trembled and became like dead men.
But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here, for he has risen,  as he said. Come, see the place where he lay.

And they found  the stone rolled away from the tomb,
but when they went in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
While they were perplexed about this, behold, two l men stood by them in dazzling apparel. And as they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead?  He is not here, but has risen. Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, that the Son of Man  must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified and on  the third day rise.”

And  they remembered his words, and returning from the tomb they s told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.

Now it was Mary Magdalene and  Joanna and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told these things to the apostles, but these words seemed to them an idle tale, and v they did not believe them. But Peter rose and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw .the linen cloths by themselves; and he went home marveling at what had happened. 

After this Jesus b revealed himself c again to the disciples by d the Sea of Tiberias, and he revealed himself in this way.  Simon Peter,  Thomas (called the Twin), Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two others of his disciples were together. Simon Peter said to them, “I am going fishing.” They said to him, “We will go with you.” They went out and got into the boat, but h that night they caught nothing. 

Just as day was breaking, Jesus stood on the shore; yet the disciples  did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to them, “Children, do you have any fish?” They answered him, “No.” He said to them, “Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some” So they cast it, and now they were not able to haul it in, because of the quantity of fish.

That disciple l whom Jesus loved therefore said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord,  he put on his outer garment, for he was stripped for work, and threw himself into the sea.

The other disciples came in the boat, dragging the net full of fish, for they were not far from the land, but about a hundred yards off.  When they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire in place, with fish laid out on it, and bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish that you have just caught  So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, 153 of them. And although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus said to them, “Come and  have breakfast Now none of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord.

Jesus came and  took the bread and gave it to them, and so with the fish. This was now the third time that Jesus was revealed to the disciples after he was raised from the dead. 

HE HAS RISEN INDEED!

Of First Importance


For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures 1 Corinthians 15.

The death of Jesus.

Two others, who were criminals, were led away to be put to death with him. And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left.   And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it.
And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots. Then they sat down and  kept watch over him there. And over his head they put the charge against him, which read, “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews.”

Many of the Jews read this inscription, for  the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Aramaic, in Latin, and in Greek. So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but rather, ‘This man said, I am King of the Jews.’” Pilate answered,  “What I have written I have written.”

And those who passed by derided him, a wagging their heads
and saying, “You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself!  If you are d the Son of God, come down from the cross.” So also the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, mocked him, saying, “He saved others; f he cannot save himself.  He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him. For he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” And the robbers who were crucified with him also reviled him in the same way.

But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.  When Jesus saw his mother and  the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to a his own home.

One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!”  But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me  when you come into your kingdom.”
And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.  And about the ninth hour Jesus j cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, “This man is calling Elijah.”  And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with l sour wine, and put it on a reed and m gave it to him to drink.  But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.”  And Jesus n cried out again with a loud voice and o yielded up his spirit.   And behold,  the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.   The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of  the saints  who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

When the centurion and those who were with him,  keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said,  “Truly this was the Son of God!”

 And all the crowds that had assembled for this spectacle, when they saw what had taken place, returned home beating their breasts. 49 And all his acquaintances and the women who had followed him from Galilee stood at a distance watching these things.

The burial of Jesus

 Now there was a man named Joseph, from the Jewish town of Arimathea. He was a member of the council, a good and righteous man,  who had not consented to their decision and action; and he was looking for the kingdom of God.  This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.  Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud and laid him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid.  It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.  The women who had come with him from Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how his body was laid.   Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments.

The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate  and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise.’  Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.”  Pilate said to them, “You have a guard of soldiers. Go, make it as secure as you can.”  So they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard.

Earworm Wednesday: Handel’s Messiah ~ King’s College Cambridge Choir


Based upon a libretto composed by Charles Jennens which using passages from the Old Testament and Revelation the libretto dealt with prophecy of Christ’s coming, his birth, death, resurrection and victory over sin and Christ’s second coming Handel made it into an oratorio.  The speed in which he composed this is legendary and in composing the famous Hallelujah Chorus he said that he saw the heavens open and beheld the face of God.  It was first performed on Easter, since then it has been a Christmas favorite although mainly the highlights of the oratorio not the entire work.

This is the King’s College Cambridge Choir doing this classical work.

Frenetic Friday Night


Let me extend a welcome to the new readers of the blog.  I am glad you’ve decided to stop by. 

First from PJ Media a bit of science and theology:

And lest you think I am pulling your leg you can read about the experiment here

One further comment on this particular byte of information. It is always easy for those who hold to a materialistic worldview to reduce faith, and belief down to chemical reactions in the brain. What they haven’t done is explain why one set of chemical reactions are more true than another one. There is no right or wrong with chemical reactions they just are. But, Christians see all of us as image bearers of God and belief and faith is a response to the truth of what God has revealed and not just a chemical reaction.

Do you watch reality television? The nothing really “real” about reality television, but there is one that I must confess I’ve watched a time or two. It’s called Chopped. Chef’s are given a basket of ingredients and told to make various courses with the ingredients. And the ingredients usually include something pretty outlandish like butter beans, ostrich egg, and crème de mint. Now make breakfast.

So the Federalist had a recent article about a North Carolina bar holding a fund raiser for Planned Parenthood. The theme? Chopped.

Think about that, a fund raiser for a company whose main purpose is to chop up babies into parts having a theme called “Chopped” it is sickening. Federalist: NC Bar fundraising for Planned Parenthood

And now something completely different.

Have you seen this? This guy builds a house using primitive tools, yes I know that really doesn’t sound too impressive. Well how about he builds a house, a kiln, and makes his own roof tiles, using just primitive tools? You had me at roof tiles.

Now that is reality television. See you next week.

Frenetic Friday Night


Buckle up boys its going to be a bumpy ride.

It’s past due for a Religion of Peace update.

From October 1st’s Christian Aid Mission  comes the report of eleven Christian aid workers and one twelve year old boy near Aleppo Syria were crucified and beheaded by ISIS.

The indigenous missionaries were not required to stay at their ministry base in a village near Aleppo, Syria; rather, the ministry director who trained them had entreated them to leave.

They stayed because they believed they were called to share Christ with those caught in the crossfire, he said.

“Every time we talked to them,” the director said, “they were always saying, ‘We want to stay here – this is what God has told us to do. This is what we want to do.’ They just wanted to stay and share the gospel.”

The relatives said ISIS militants on Aug. 7 captured the Christian workers in a village whose name is withheld for security reasons. On Aug. 28, the militants asked if they had renounced Islam for Christianity. When the Christians said that they had, the rebels asked if they wanted to return to Islam. The Christians said they would never renounce Christ.

The 41-year-old team leader, his young son and two ministry members in their 20s were questioned at one village site where ISIS militants had summoned a crowd. The team leader presided over nine house churches he had helped to establish. His son was two months away from his 13th birthday.

In front of the team leader and relatives in the crowd, the Islamic extremists cut off the fingertips of the boy and severely beat him, telling his father they would stop the torture only if he, the father, returned to Islam. When the team leader refused, relatives said, the ISIS militants also tortured and beat him and the two other ministry workers. The three men and the boy then met their deaths in crucifixion.

Eight other ministry team members, including two women, were taken to another site in the village that day (Aug. 28) and were asked the same questions before a crowd. The women, ages 29 and 33, tried to tell the ISIS militants they were only sharing the peace and love of Christ and asked what they had done wrong to deserve the abuse. The Islamic extremists then publicly raped the women, who continued to pray during the ordeal, leading the ISIS militants to beat them all the more furiously.

As the two women and the six men knelt before they were beheaded, they were all praying.

“Villagers said some were praying in the name of Jesus, others said some were praying the Lord’s prayer, and others said some of them lifted their heads to commend their spirits to Jesus,” the ministry director said. “One of the women looked up and seemed to be almost smiling as she said, ‘Jesus!'”

After they were beheaded, their bodies were hung on crosses, the ministry director said, his voice breaking. He had trained all of the workers for their evangelistic ministry, and he had baptized the team leader and some of the others.  {read more here}

And now a word from a heretic:  From the Christian Post Joel Osteen says to stop debating with people who aren’t Christian.  {here}

But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; 1Peter 3:15  Yeah that whole Word of God thing just doesn’t work for Joel.

In other news James White has just finished up over 150 debates this last one with some Muslim debaters on the Qur’an and the Bible {here}

So who do you think is doing what the Word of God says, Joel or James?

In a developing news police raid the home of an abortionist in West Bloomfield, Michigan and find what appears to be baby body parts in fourteen containers in his home.  The abortionist was performing abortions in his home and perhaps the homes of his customers.  This shows his lack of care for the mothers of the aborted children as the lack of sanitation in the homes could have also killed the mothers.  {here}

Do you read Matt Walsh?  He is a Roman Catholic and he writes interesting things at the Blaze network.  Recently he wrote this:

No, Christianity Should Not ‘Welcome’ or ‘Include’ Your Sinful Lifestyle

In it he talks about a letter he received from a homosexual who berated him for his attitude regarding the sin of homosexuality and how wonderful it is that more churches are now including his “lifestyle” and getting on board with the LGBTQ agenda.

Matt makes a great point showing that coming to Christianity means leaving behind your life of sin.  The Word of God makes this even clearer:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,  nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.  Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God  1Corinthians 6:9-11 (NASB) Emphasis mine

See there were the LGBQT people in the church, but they left behind their sin in response to the Gospel which changed their lives.  They didn’t stay in their “lifestyle”, or shall we call it what it is sin,  they repented of it, repentance means that you changed <past tense> your mind,  you now think differently because you now have the mind of Christ in you (1Cor.2:16).  This changed perception sees sin for what it is and why we as washed, sanctified, and justified people can’t go back to it as a way of living because it isn’t life at all it is death .  And since we are no longer dead in sin, we need to alive in Christ and dead to sin.  And this is done through the Gospel, the Gospel saves us, the Gospel changes us, and the makes us alive.  And with that I bid you good night.

Frenetic Friday


I am thinking I might rename these posts to Frenetic Friday Night might be more appropriate considering when I finish posting at times.  Reader participation invited.

Pastor Matt Whitman
Matt Whitman
Not Matt Whitman
Not Matt Whitman

<–Have you seen this man?  That clean-shaved head, that lantern jaw, those steely eyes, obviously the stunt double for Jason Statham right?  Well you would be wrong!  But not by much!  This is Pastor Matt Whitman of Lander Evangelical Free Church, and the host of Ten Minute Bible Hour!  Pastor Matt is married and has three children he studied church history and theology.  Which makes him perfectly suited for Ten Minute Bible Hour!  Now I know you’re wondering does he take an hour of bible study and condense it into ten minutes of concentrated intense tightly packed bible teaching that you just add water to expand it out?  No he doesn’t, what he does provide is a slightly comical and fun look at scripture while teaching the deep truths of the bible.  Take a look at his YouTube channel

Seriously check him out.

So this popped up on twitter (HT: Frank Turk)

Kelsey-Gram-shirt-Instagram-640x480And every liberal on the planet has gone insane.  I personally think that if you’re going to “break the Internet” then a picture that promotes life and not abortion is better than some celebrity sans clothing.  So thank you Kelsey Grammer for standing up for babies.  If you want a tee-shirt like this then go to Abort73.com

Changing the subject just a little on October 5th a protest was held at the hallowed halls of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.  Can you guess why? If you said it was because they were having a seminar on homosexual and trans-gender issues you would be a winner.  Seems the protesters didn’t like the idea of a group of pastors and biblical counselors gathering together into a seminary and talking about homosexual behavior especially not from a biblical view-point.  Albert Mohler (boy I am just name dropping all over the place today) pointed out that it wasn’t too long ago that a leading homosexual activist said that faith belongs in the “pews, homes, and hearts” but when we try to have our faith in our pews what happens?  Which just proves the lie for what it is they won’t allow us to have our beliefs any where we have to march in locked step with them or face the consequences.

Okay there is going to be a test.  I warned you that it was coming and now it is here:

Thirty-three on the Three in One

Yes it is thirty-three questions on the trinity and yes I missed one question which means I have to read James White’s book on the trinity again.  What’s the name of the book glad you asked:

The Forgotten Trinity

Now take the test first and then buy the book unless you have it already.  Then re-read it.

That is it for this Frenetic Friday see you next week!